Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
(Proverbs 30:4)  

Reflect on that for a minute…… (Remember, this was written before any knowledge of ascension and a Father -Son combination as part of a Triad.)

The words of Agur is a prophecy: This foreshadowing, which he delivered, not by his own wisdom, but by the Holy Spirit, for the benefit of man informs us of something that he clearly states, he does not understand himself. In the preceding verses He refers to himself as more brute than other men, as a messenger that does not understand the Holy. In this verse he utters the most significant prophecy of all time. The sentence starts with a string of questions with their different possible answers, or no answer at all, depending on how you look at it.


Since this is quoted from the Christian Bible, In hindsight, we know today this must refer to Jesus, a man born long after the Book of proverbs was written between the tenth and sixth centuries B.C. He is the only likely candidate since he both ascended and is prophesied to descend from heaven.
Who gathered the wind in his fists?
This is really not humanly possible, yet from context, we can assume it must be some Devine character possibly Jesus (since this was the previous answer) or God His Father. These are generally accepted in Christianity as the only Devine Entities able to do such things, not humanly possible.
Who bound waters in a Garmet?
This could refer to either Jesus or God His Father as explained in the previous point. As water cannot traditionally be gathered with a cloth.
Who established the ends of the earth?
This could refer to God the Father who created the boundaries of earth long before Jesus was born. It may be taken literally in context with scientific knowledge at the time that the earth had boundaries, but also could just refer to the entire creation.


This question initially seems to act just as a confirmation of the previous answers, yet it implies that the answer to the previous questions all refer to the same entity. Jesus OR God the Father. It presents the reader, presumably a Christian, with a dual answer though, as we saw previously that even to the believer of the Bible, the answers are not the same since one is Jesus and the other is either Jesus OR God. When trying to figure this out, we are, according to systematic reasoning, supposed to return to the previous answers as we logically made an error in their answers. We know the answer has to be the same person? Yet, the first answer is Jesus, the second is either Jesus or God the Father and the Third must be God, since he created the boundaries of earth according to the Genesis account.
and what is his son's name?
This question , the Third in the series is a clear indication that it is referring to Jesus, but it also is a clear indication that the second’s answer was God and not either Jesus Or God. Now we know that we made a mistake in the first question as the first of it’s sub questions has to have the answer “God” and not “Jesus” as we assumed.
can you tell?
So the answers must be as follows?

Who ascended up into heaven and descended: – God (Not Jesus????)
i. Who gathered the wind in his fists? – God (Not Jesus)
ii. Who bound waters in a Garmet? - God (Not Jesus)
iii. Who established the ends of the earth? – God (Not Jesus, who only came along many years after creation)
What is his name?
Easy one, God
and what is his son's name?
Easy One -Jesus

Here is our problem: there is a paradox between question 1 and 1.iii and this presents us with a logical error! Either God Himself descended up into heaven and will descend, and so all of Christianity is completely wrong about our doctrine OR Either Jesus, or God was must BE both son and father? The last option Must be that Jesus was the one who was there from the beginning, created the boundaries of earth, holds the wind in His hands, gathers the water in his cloth and by implication Is God in some sense.


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